I was trying to find that graph that showed all the pledge levels, but can’t track it down, but I’m curious as to what the difference is between a 12-month “EVENT PASS” and “DIGITAL ACCESS TO SEASON 13”? (Other than what was mentioned above, I don’t remember a digital access reward)
I did the $85 All Digital standalone pledge package, and looking at the details, I’ve got the Event Pass with premieres and events from March 4 to Feb 28. So, I’ll have access to the livestreams for the 12 months, which is good.
Waiting on downloads makes sense now that I read that. And I’m sure we all want more seasons, so if waiting helps with that, then yeah, let’s wait.
I know you’ve got your hands full here at the 11th hour before the premiere, so maybe stick a pin in this for later. Given the show’s ephemeral nature over the past 30+ years, physical possession of episodes is of paramount importance to me, and I suspect to many of us. Streaming is a nice-to-have, but between rights issues, internet weather and hardware/software complications, it’s fickle and the things we love could vanish at any moment.
I very much understand the concern about people passing around DRM-free copies. By and large I think us MSTies know that doing so would be shooting ourselves in the foot. We want the show to continue and will happily pay for it. Perhaps Eric at RiffTrax could offer some insight about how it’s worked for them? I’m sure RT episodes have found their way to torrent sites, but it presumably isn’t a severe enough issue that it’s impacting their ability to keep going. Also maybe duplicate RiffTrax’s “donate” function, to appeal to those who’ve acquired episodes that “fell off the truck.” Couldn’t hurt.
I like @Ryanxpark’s idea of maybe limiting the number of downloads for a period of time, if that would make the downloads accessible sooner. Or maybe make downloads initially available only to backers whose pledge included the downloads.
I understand the desire to snatch them up right away let your window gets missed - but I feel rights negotiations are a lot more farsighted these days. I don’t think it’s any longer a case Of “you can get the rights to air it once on TV and never make it available again”
Since you implied standalone episodes and livestreaming events as being different things, I’m curious to know what might get added onto a livestream premiere (before the episode starts/besides the post episode Q&A) to make it different from just an episode?
I’ll promise you this much: you will DEFINITELY get to download them at the end of the season. The expiration dates on the movie licenses aren’t an unknown variable – nothing in this season will expire within the next few years, and most of them will likely be available to renew indefinitely. But we 100% will have the licenses way longer than it’ll take to distribute the DRM free downloads. Guaranteed.
So, the funny thing about that is, we have no idea if there were issues, because Netflix never tells anyone how their content is doing. We do know that torrents were available immediately, and there’s really no way to estimate how many people might have considered joining Netflix, and didn’t have to because a friend shared DRM-free copies right away.
Unless you’ve got data that we don’t, in which case… stop holding out on us!
Except that once you’ve download a DRM-free file, you don’t need to download it again to share it – you can share the episodes like any other file.
So even a one-time download has the potential to exponentially increase the amount of episode sharing / decrease the number of people who might be willing to pay to see the new episodes. At the same time, we don’t want to keep fans from being able to watch their own episodes however they want.
Like I said: it’s a pretty complicated issue to navigate, and we’re still deciding what makes the most sense.
But the input and perspective from everyone here is really valuable, so thank you!
Yeah, the goal isn’t to make piracy impossible. It’s the internet, so we know it’s a given.
The bigger question is whether making it THAT easy to share with people leads to a lot of casual and non-premeditated file sharing. It seems probable that a lot of people might “keep circulating the [video files]” with good intentions, not realizing that sales and rentals are now the deciding factor on whether we ever get to make more.
Though we did think about that question in time to shoot some material in February, which you’ll see in the Gizmoplex soon enough.
Still a work in progress, and I don’t want to spoil any surprises. I’ll just say that we’ve been thinking a lot about how to make livestreams feel like meaningful events, rather than a traditional television broadcast… especially events that aren’t premieres of new episodes.